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07-14-2008, 16:38 cclad Joined on 02-01-2006 Posts 125 PlayOut with video in project How to playout Ventuz project which is timeline based and syncronized on video track. ventuz Playout rendering is framebased, but playing of video is timebased. exported composition with video is not right then. is there any way how to force ventuz to render playout videos framebased? bye clad    Report

07-14-2008, 20:42 sven-petersen Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 29 Re: PlayOut with video in project we have always the same problem. all of our integrated videos are running to fast, never insynch.    Report

07-14-2008, 21:32 cclad Joined on 02-01-2006 Posts 125 Re: PlayOut with video in project I found 95% solution. you can use Fraps to capture ventuz output to video, which is much more faster than ventuz playout and can capure hi-res video at 25fps. nice, but not 100% perfect, and for sure not so much pro. bye clad    Report

07-15-2008, 9:48 Karol Joined on 05-15-2005 Posts 281 Re: PlayOut with video in project Hi clad, we know about this problem! The only 100% way right now is a little bit costly! You would have to export your movies to image sequences like movie1_0000.png  to movie1_xxxx.png  and  load each frame in Ventuz the corresponding movie frame. Just use a Convert To Text and Counter node to create the right movie frame names. Best Regards karol    Report

07-15-2008, 12:49 cclad Joined on 02-01-2006 Posts 125 Re: PlayOut with video in project interesting idea, not so hard to do it in ventuz. but I still hope Ventuz 2008 will have better video playback with fast acces to video frames, so there will be no problem to make right Playout. without that you can release Ventuz 1998 only :) bye clad    Report

07-15-2008, 23:31 The Krix Joined on 08-22-2007 Dubai Posts 134 Re: PlayOut with video in project Ventuz 1998? Bad joke. Please name one application which can do what Ventuz can do. There is none. Same old song ... I have been using the method Karol wrote about for a long time and it works like a charm. Sure it could be better. But there are more important things than playout with integrated videos that should be added in the next versions.    Report

07-16-2008, 9:18 cclad Joined on 02-01-2006 Posts 125 Re: PlayOut with video in project you can always say that, ventuz is big pack of features, but if we are talking about video features (and we are talking about that) I can name hunderts of applications which can do same (play,pause,cont:). and what features are important? for everybody is it different. for sure playout is not important, if ventuz is on the final place in your production chain. but its not always possible and then you need to export image data in some standart format. I think for every software is better to have perfect features, which works in all situations. not millions of sometime working features. not like playout, which doesnt care so much about time, drop frames and videos... plaese, I dont want any flame war...:)    Report

07-16-2008, 22:24 chriss0212 Joined on 03-21-2006 Düsseldorf/ Germany Posts 297 Re: PlayOut with video in project hi cclad, especialy in the video part i absolutly agree but: why are you allways so agresive....i also thout about to "leave" ventuz but again i have a project where i don`nt know how to realize it (i am workingvon a realy cool multi touch solution) and so i am back again but krix i also cant understand why you always try to save ventuz so hard.... not all of us are working in dubai where the client dont care about the money if the idear is cool....i also think it is very important in the event buisness to have the possebility to play videos in sync (if it is possible to play hd image sequences please let ne know). i would say more than 90% of all events are based on video and in the rest.....they also need video. what du you think could be the reason that more than 99% of all events are done with software which isnt called ventuz. what could be the reason that software like pandora which is much more expensive (server) is used in much more events than ventuz? dont missunderstand: ventuz is a graet peace of software but they are far away from the top in the event part...fore me ventuz is great for high end special solutions but at the moment not for "the big cake" but there is the money and i am sure if ventuz would care of the video part they could sell so many pro dongles that they dont need the broadcast anymore :-) big greetz chriss still a ventuz user :-) ...........and don't give up :-)    Report

07-17-2008, 2:18 The Krix Joined on 08-22-2007 Dubai Posts 134 Re: PlayOut with video in project yeah, i might defend ventuz a little bit too much. must be my past. chriss, i absolutely agree with you on the synced video playback. might have had a different opinion in the past, but that changed over the years - espcecially since the day i had to deal with watchout... :) but cclad was talking about the video playout aka render to disk which does not playout embedded movies properly. it does work, but not frame by frame. so it is kind of useless if you have movie clip nodes in your scene. with the bink support a lot of video playback problems should be gone. can't wait to test that with 2008 myself. btw, dubai is not what it used to be in regards to budgets or ideas. there are still the occasional crazy budgets out there, but the clients are also very hard to deal with. and very often they don't even understand what one is talking about. there were lot of great ideas for half-way decent budgets but in the end they all never happened. cclad, there shall never be no flame war. :) cheers! krix    Report

07-17-2008, 8:42 chriss0212 Joined on 03-21-2006 Düsseldorf/ Germany Posts 297 Re: PlayOut with video in project hi krix, thx for your answer :-) and: does it mean that binks will be official supported in ventuz2008? or is it a future feature like timecode? :-) greetz chriss ...........and don't give up :-)    Report

07-17-2008, 9:15 cclad Joined on 02-01-2006 Posts 125 Re: PlayOut with video in project hello, i made one joke only (good or bad, up to you)... didnt feel there anything agressive. I think agressive style looks much more worse. this was critique only... (I remember that communists in our country 20 years ago ware always saying that everybody who criticize their system was agressive, stupid or bad.) bink video looks interesting. Its exactly what you can see in other realtime 3d products and in ventuz it could be basic part of system. I hope there will be possibility to acces video frame by frame thrue that sychronize it to timecode (finally:) bye clad (not cclad:)    Report